There is nothing new under the sun.
A historical view on a hot issue.

(N.B. This article was was written in  July 2004, so the numbers of recent cases are not up to date) .

 

Over the last years we were frequently confronted with terms as PN (Polyneuropathy), LP (Laryngeal Paralysis), Ataxia spinocerebellar/cerebellar, Quadruplegia, LEM (Leuco-encephalo-myelopathy). These are all genetic neurological disorders that can cause all kind of physical problems like gait problems, paralyses, respiration problems etc.

 

The first time we were confronted with problems of this kind was in 1965. We came in the possession of Sascha v. Pappelhof. (case 1).We got him when he was 6 months old and the breeder, Mrs. Kraus told us he suffered from growing pains. He had indeed a very weak backhand and he was asthmatic. He was treated for his asthma/bronchitis, got his medication for a stronger backhand. It seemed to help a little. He developed into a young charming dog, could cope splendid with the whole pack of dogs, could run and play. Needed from time to time some extra rest. Had a bit of a hoarse barking but that was blamed on the bronchitis. Because of his funny gait we gave him the nickname of Hampelmann (German for a puppet/punch). Our vets had the opinion that his gait came from an insufficient attachment of muscles and strings to the bones and that he suffered from a chronic bronchitis.

According to them there were no objections to use him for breeding, so we did. He sired 2 litters, 1 of 2 pups and 1 of 4 pups. We watched them very carefully and the pups developed splendidly. By the time they ware about 7 years we lost contact with some owners but until that moment everything seemed to be fine. Sascha died at the age of almost 5 years of pneumonia.

 

In 1966 we met the Muller family (v. Murrtal). We became friends and imported 4 pups of their D litter. We saw a lot of their breeding, no sign of symptoms like Sascha. Also the dogs on the German shows seemed to be ok. In 1968 the Mullers took back a neglected male with a kind of Sascha symptoms. He was Gauner von Murrtal. (case 2). We took him because we didn’t belief in multi-mating and as Sascha’s pups are doing extremely well we didn’t bother about his somewhat heavy breathing and his not all correct gait. His condition was fine. We always fancied the C litter of Murrtal. We tried to buy a puppy, but we were too late. We used Gauner's uncle Cay, and got a small but a fine litter. Once again our vets didn’t see any harm in using him so we did. A litter of six was born and no problems.

 

During a visit at the v. Staufenzwinger in about 1972 we saw Etzel (case 3) a 4 years old male. After an enthousiastic greeting we noticed that he had a very, very heavy breathing and when he jumped on the garden seat we saw the uncontrolled hindlegs.

 

In 1973 an almost 2 year old male started developing a loose gait. (case 4). More or less the way Gauner moved but a little bit better. No breathing problems. Our vets thought again it was a muscle/string problem. He was taken to Utrecht where he was operated in the orthopaedic clinic of the University, but the gait stayed the same and the dog kept his slightly uncontrolled gait. When he was 6 years his owner moved to another place and we lost contact.

 

In 1974 a litter was born. One male pup (case 5) had at the age of 10 months serious problems with breathing and walking. He went to Utrecht University where Dr. Venker at that time had a LP project on the bouvier of Flanders.

Diagnosis LP. He got a tie-back, but it didn’t help him that much. At the age of about 2 years he was put to sleep.

In this time there was good contact with Dr. Venker. We talked about the other cases and she also believed there must be a relation with the other cases, with this exception that the last case was indeed a very severe one. Unfortunaly the university had no financial means to start a similar project for the Leonberger so we decided to be very alert on breathing and gait problems.

 

It stayed calm until 1978. Two 3 year old males were showing the well known symptoms.

Case 6 was a German imported male. He got his tie back surgery and lived still another 1 ½ year.

 

The other male (case 7) was first treated the homoeopathically way, but then the owner decided to operate him but he didn’t stand the narcosis.

 

There were some more cases in the eighties and again some more in the nineties. But all the cases were not the same. There were a few cases that ended with a total paralysis. That was called LEM.

 

The same happened in the period of 2000-2004.

Holland is a small country. Of course was always possible that there were more cases, but to hide things is very difficult especially in Leonberger world were everybody knows everybody.

 

Let’s have a closer look at what we call our 7 first cases.

 

Case 1. Sascha v. Pappelhof.

No one of his children or grandchildren gave any sign of the symptoms. Also their offspring as far we can follow didn’t show any signs. His line is still present.

 

Sascha’s father, Boris v. Staufenzwinger, sired 68 children. The Gaisberg line with Arko v. Gaisberg is full alive. Arko v. Gaisberg for instance was father of 55 children of which the 3 Danubia litters were perhaps the most important. From these 3 litters (19 children) 10 were used for breeding.

Sascha’s mother Hanny v. Donautal had a total of 21 children from 4 litters (the N, O, P and S litter v. Pappelhof). Both males from the N litter came into breeding and their lines are still present. From the P litter siblings of a male and a female can still be traced.

 

                                                                                         Carlo v. Glemstal DLZB 2001

                                                           Alex v. Wissberg DLZB 2279

                                                                                         Astra v. Neckarursprung DLZB 2068

                             Boris v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 2512

                                                                                         Ortwin v. Bendstich DLZB 1327

                                                           Dorle v. Fuldatal DLZB 2112

                                                                                         Anka v. Weinberg DLZB 1700

Sascha v. Pappelhof DLZB 2771

                                                                                         Arko v. Pappelhof DLZB 1337

                                                           Barko v. Hohen Karpfen DLZB 1910

                                                                                         Bettty v. Carolshofen DLZB 1537

                             Hanny v. Donautal DLZB 2290

                                                                                         Alex v. Carolshofen DLZB 1518

                                                           Bella v. Tivoli DLZB 1667

                                                                                         Astra v. Saul DLZB 1496

 

 

Case 2. Gauner v. Murrtal.

He sires only 1 litter. None of his children showed any signs. 1 male and 1 female come into breeding and their offspring was also clear. Their offspring is still very well represented. The first problems we saw when his grandson was sired to a daughter of Alkeste v.d. Danubia x Gyurcsitarjan Zegty Zorvath Zwo.

Gauner’s father Nick v. Pappelhof had 21 children of which Gina and Grandel continued the line, just as their half brother/sister Kuno and Kira (Nick x Camilla).

Gauner’s uncle Nöck v. Pappelhof sired only 1 litter. This line is very well represented in Holland.

 

                                                                                         Borris v. Schwenten DDR 41

                                                           Famos v. Fuldatal DLZB 2150

                                                                                        Ada v. Fuldatal DLZB 1953

                             Nick v. Pappelhof DLZB 2504

                                                                                         Barko v. Hohen Karpfen DLZB 1910

                                                           Hanny v. Donautal DLZB 2290

                                                                                         Bella v. Tivoli DLZB 1667

Gauner v. Murrtal DLZB 2974

                                                                                         Akko v.d. Luisenruhe DLZB 1834

                                                           Greif v. Bildstockle DLZB 2198

                                                                                         Citta v. Bildstockle DLZB 1940

                             Cilly v. Murrtal DLZB 2750

                                                                                         Barko v. Hohen Karpfen DLZB 1910

                                                           Camilla v.d. Hohen Feste Wildenstein DLZB 2348

                                                                                         Alma v. Donautal DLZB 1847

 

 

Case 3. Etzel v. Staufenzwinger.

No offspring. Etzels mother (Asta v. Staufenzwinger) is a sister of Sascha’s father (Boris v. Staufenzwinger) see also case 1.

                                                                                         Akko v.d. Luisenruhe DLZB 1834

                                                           Greif v. Bildstockle DLZB 2198

                                                                                         Citta v. Bildstockle DLZB 1940

                             Akbar v. Pfinztal DLZB 2547

                                                                                         Borris v. Schwenten DDR 41

                                                          Gitta v. Fuldatal DLZB 2161

                                                                                         Alke v. Weinberg DLZB 1699

Etzel v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 3104a

                                                                                         Carlo v. Glemstal DLZB 2001

                                                           Alax v. Wissberg DLZB 2279

                                                                                         Astra v. Neckarursprung DLZB 2068

                             Asta v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 2450

                                                                                         Ortwin v. Bendstich DLZB 1327

                                                           Dorle v. Fuldatal DLZB 2112

                                                                                         Anka v. Weinberg DLZB 1700

 

Case 4. Gyurcsitarjan Knirs Masodik.

No offspring. The line goes on through Gyurcsitarjan Kakayanos, Kiraly Dolog Fej and Kisbobanya but mainly by Kakayanos and Kiraly.

Mother Yeigesty Kriesant and her sisters Yamly and Yobo Bils are widely spread in the Dutch lines.

 

                                                                                         Greif v. Bildstockle DLZB 2198

                                                                       Gyurcsitarjan Dorpel NHSB 340409

                                                                                         Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                             Gyurcsitarjan Knirs-Kuno NHSB 390978

                                                                                         Bari v. Wissberg DLZB 2322

                                                           Ronny v. Pappelhof DLZB 2723

                                                                                         Barsa v. Vogtland DDR 94

Gyurcsitarjan Knirs-Masodik NHSB 633368

                                                                                         Nock v. Pappelhof DLZB 2505

                                                               Gyurcsitarjan Gregoritch NHSB 363264

                                                                                         Elka v. Rossbach DLZB 2398

                             Gyurcsitarjan Yeigesty-Krysant NHSB 482851

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Horvath NHSB 373191

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Oevelly NHSB 423841

                                                                                         Ronny v. Pappelhof DLZB 2723

 

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Case 5. Nagybobanya Zsarnok Zsalv.

No offspring. The father's line is related to case 2. From him and 2 of his sisters still offspring is present in Holland and abroad.

Mother Gyurcsitarjan Inshivaya got only 1 litter.  Offspring of littermates Iwanowitch and sister Insgaya is still present as well as offspring of sister Moefka.

 

                                                                                                              Nick v. Pappelhof DLZB 2504

                                                                                         Gauner v. Murrtal DLZB 2974

                                                                                                             Cilly v. Murrtal DLZB 2750

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Toltan NHSB 452296

                                                                                                             Akbar v.d. Burghalde DLZB 2105

                                                                                         Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                                                                                                             Dorle v. Rossbach

                             Makoum Rishon NHSB 541663

                                                                                                             Nock v. Pappelhof DLZB 2505

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Gregoritch NHSB 363264

                                                                                                            Elka v. Rossbach DLZB 2398

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Yobo-Bils NHSB 482847

                                                                                                             Gyurcsitarjan Horvath NHSB 373191

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Oevelly NHSB 423841

                                                                                                              Ronny v. Pappelhof DLZB 2723

Nagybobanya Zsarnok Zsalv NHSB 717703

                                                                                                             Gyurcsitarjan Horvath NHSB 373191

                                                                                         Arras v.d. Dommerbeek NHSB 444103

                                                                                                              Dorle v. Murrtal DLZB 2884

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Zegty Zorvath Zwo NHSB 484371

                                                                                                             Akbar v.d. Burghalde DLZB 2105

                                                                                         Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                                                                                                             Dorle v. Rossbach

                             Gyurcsitarjan Inshivaya NHSB 589512

                                                                                                             Boris v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 2512

                                                                                         Arko v. Gaisberg DLZB 2917

                                                                                                             Diana v. Glemstal DLZB 2647

                                                           Alkeste v.d. Danubia DLZB 3347

                                                                                                             Caesar v. Hohentwiel DLZB 2599

                                                                                         Hella v. Tuttlingen DLZB 3023

                                                                                                             Edda v. Tuttlingen DLZB 2725

 

Case 6. Donar v. Hofoldinger Forst.

No offspring. Brother Dorian and sister Dunja were tested by EMG and nothing abnormal was found.

Both Dorian and Dunja’s siblings ares widely spread the same as their brother from a later litter.

 

                                                                                                             Alf v.d. Achalm DLZB 2371

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Azor NHSB 319578

                                                                                                             Elka v. Rossbach DLZB 2398

                                                           Alf v. Elisabethenberg DLZB 3221

                                                                                                             Nick v. Pappelhof DLZB 2504

                                                                                         Gina v. Murrtal DLZB 2977

                                                                                                             Cilly v. Murrtal DLZB 2750

                             Cliff v. Nonnenberg DLZB 3631

                                                                                                             Boris v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 2512

                                                                                         Arko v. Gaisberg DLZB 2917

                                                                                                             Diana v. Glemstal DLZB 2647

                                                           Asta v. Nonnenberg DLZB 3232

                                                                                                             Lord v.d. Solitude DLZB 2485

                                                                                         Tessa v. Pappelhof DLZB 2948

                                                                                                             Pritta v. Pappelhof DLZB 2687

Donar v. Hofoldinger Forst DLZB 4490

                                                                                                             Baldur v. Leonberg DLZB 1542

                                                                                         Abel v. Malisfelsen DLZB 2070

                                                                                                             Alfle v. Donautal DLZB 1848

                                                           Arno v. Schloss Bronnen DLZB 2709

                                                                                                             Barko v. Hohen Karpfen DLZB 1910

                                                                                         Andra v. Tuttlingen DLZB 2407

                                                                                                             Diana v.d. Solitude DLZB 2223

                             Anja v. Hofoldinger Forst DLZB 3437

                                                                                                             Inca du Chateau de Reveillon LOF 46

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Hovell NHSB 373192

                                                                                                             Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                                                           Wega v. Pappelhof DLZB 3111

                                                                                                             Petz v. Pappelhof DLZB 2684

                                                                                         Orelia du Mont Notre-Dame LOF 127

                                                                                                             Idole du Chateau de Reveillon LOF 50

 

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Case 7. Karabas Akimo Thor.

No offspring. Father is brother of case 4. Littermates continue the line. Mother has a second litter with no problems.

 

                                                                                                             Greif v. Bildstockle DLZB 2198

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Dorpel NHSB 340409

                                                                                                             Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Knirs-Kuno NHSB 390978

                                                                                                             Bari v. Wissberg DLZB 2322

                                                                                         Ronny v. Pappelhof DLZB 2723

                                                                                                             Barsa v. Vogtland DDR 94

                             Gyurcsitarjan Kakayanos NHSB 633370

                                                                                                             Nock v. Pappelhof DLZB 2505

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Gregoritch NHSB 363264

                                                                                                             Elka v. Rossbach DLZB 2398

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Yeigesty-Krysant NHSB 482851

                                                                                                             Gyurcsitarjan Horvath NHSB 373191

                                                                                         Gyurcsitarjan Oevelly NHSB 423841

                                                                                                             Ronny v. Pappelhof DLZB 2723

Karabas Akimo Thor NHSB 859105

                                                                                                             Gyurcsitarjan Horvath NHSB 373191

                                                                                         Arras v.d. Dommerbeek NHSB 444103

                                                                                                             Dorle v. Murrtal DLZB 2884

                                                           Gyurcsitarjan Zegty Zorvath Zwo NHSB 484371

                                                                                                             Akbar v.d. Burghalde DLZB 2105

                                                                                         Elfe v. Rossbach DLZB 2400

                                                                                                             Dorle v. Rossbach

                             Gyurcsitarjan Moefka NHSB 668679

                                                                                                             Boris v. Staufenzwinger DLZB 2512

                                                                                         Arko v. Gaisberg DLZB 2917

                                                                                                             Diana v. Glemstal DLZB 2647

                                                           Alkeste v.d. Danubia DLZB 3347

                                                                                                             Caesar v. Hohentwiel DLZB 2599

                                                                                         Hella v. Tuttlingen DLZB 3023

                                                                                                              Edda v. Tuttlingen DLZB 2725

 

 

Even if one can have comment on the early cases as being not officially diagnosted as LP, number 5 was done professional by the Utrecht University in 1974.

 

If we look at the pedigrees we see that the Leonbergers are very related to each other. When the population grew, new cases were found, but not that often.

 

In the past and in the present we saw and see sometimes dogs with symptoms that could point to LP/PN, but we know that there can be lots of reasons why dogs show these symptoms. It can come from trauma’s or/and another diseases or disorders.

There is a lot of talking of dogs being operated (tie-back), tonsillitis etc. Sometimes those dogs were used for breeding and some males even have quite a lot of offspring.

 

It seems that the UK has now an explosion of PN cases. According to the Newsletter 57 cases have been counted. But not all are official diagnosted. It is a pity that nothing more is known. How is the relation between these cases. Were the parents also suffering from PN. How serious are the problems? Even if one wants his privacy, at least you can give that kind of information without hurting owners en breeders feelings.

A few official cases are known to us. As we look into the pedigrees we see quit a lot of inbreeding. Not allways clear visible in the first generations. But going further back you see more and more the same dogs appear. This is perhaps something to keep in mind.

Both the UK and Scandinavian countries Sweden, Norway, Finland had in the past troubles in importing dogs because of the quarantaine and long distance. Their population goes for the major part back to dogs from Danmark, Germany and Holland. The Danish population was also on a very narrow base.

 

The Americans published a list of 28 cases.  Again here we see sometimes a rather strong inbreeding.

 

In France about 18 cases were found during the last years.

 

In the former GDR (Eastern Germany) where the Leonberger was part of the Breeding Society of Bernese Mountain Dogs and Leonberger (Spezialzuchtgemeinschaft Berner Sennenhunde- und Leonberger Züchter) we read in de studbook over the years 1978-1981: “Our goal is to fight against HD, Entropium, Ectropium, teethproblems, loss of type and laryngeal stenosis (stricture).

 

Lets look at the cases in a different way.

How many cases there are in Holland has is not quite clear. Personally we estimate the whole total including the old cases will be less than 40. This seems quite a lot, but we must also keep in mind that during the last 15 years an average of 300 pups a year  were registered.

Belgium has at least 1 confirmed case.

France has now 8 cases. But the last years there is an average of 1000 registered pups a year.

Germany. At least 1 official case and a few suspected cases are known to us. We can see in the studbooks that there is an average of 700 pups a year.

The only Swedish cases we know are of Swedish dogs abroad but there must be also cases in Sweden. We estimate an average of about 400 pups a year born.

From Finland we heard that 295 pups were registred in 2006. There is no knowledge of any cases.

Danmark. Seems to have 1 official case. Number of pups born every year unknown.

Switzerland. Has 1 official case. Number of pups unknown.

 

Summarising we can say that PN in the full sense of the word is not something new. Did we in the old days only notice males that were affected. Now we find also females. We see very serious cases, but also milder ones.

At what age we accept symptoms te be from old age?

It is not typical Leonberger because you see also other breeds having the same kind of problems.

It must be heriditary, but the way is still unknown. Of course all kinds of theories are launched. From dominant till recessive, X linked or not, polygenitic or not with eventually not full penetration.

 

At this moment nobody can determine the carriers. The only way to determine if a Leonberger is really affected is by doing a biopsy. But than can only be done after his/her death. Nevertheless we must go on breeding in a responsible way.

 

We must focus more and more on health but not forget the other issues.

We have still plenty of healthy Leo’s.

 

Perhaps we must change our attitude to studdogs. In some countries there is a restriction to the number of litters of male can sire.

In Holland there is a limit of 6. Finland has a the rule that 40 puppies can be registrated + the rest of the puppies from the last litter. After this you can try to get an exceptional permit.
A different way of having a kind of restriction is not the absolute number of litters during his life, but a restriction on a number of litters a year. After 1 or 2 year there could be an evaluation and then certain conditions could be made on future matings. In that way one can find out pretty soon if every thing is in order.

We surely think it is not in the benefit of the breed as we see that a young male sired in 12 months about 30 times as we know that in that year in that country about 100 litters will be born. By doing so our genpool will absolutely shrink rapidly especially when it turn out that other problems can occurs. Every country can make his limits.

 

Perhaps one should bring all the qualified studdogs more in the open. Not only on a list. It was not a bad idee what our former GDR friends had. Every studdog had to go at least once a year to a real dog show. 

But we could change that also to special breeding days where studdogs and broodbitches are judged or  presented to the audience.

We could monitor the youth through special young dogs days as we have them in Holland and Belgium, Germany is starting also.

Or the special breedingcontrol as Switzerland has. There are plenty possibilities in learning and giving information.

We personally started to prefer older studdogs. Perhaps we must pay more attention to them.

 

During the LP project in Holland the bouvier de Flandres were tested by EMG.

We could do it and use the information the positive way. Test the Leonbergers also (EMG/MRI whatever the possibilities are) and publish a list of dogs with normal results, meaning that they probably are not affected  by PN. Its of course no guarantee and they could show the symptoms later. But it is at least a start. 

In fact we do the same with HD. That the parents have good hips doesn’t mean their offspring also have a good rating.

There is a lot to do for breedingcommissions. 

But whatever you do, don’t jump too quickly to conclusion with unsufficient informations. 

For example. When the first 3 cases of LEM were diagnosted in Holland it was the male (a) that was marked as only carrier. The litters were from male a with a mother and her daughter. The mother had already had 2 litters which seemed to be normal., so one pointed at male (a).

Then there was a fourth case that seemed to prove this theory because the father (male b) of that litter was related to male (a). They were halfbrothers. 

But then there was a fifth case and there the only link to the other cases was that the grandfather from fathersside was related to the mother of the fourth case and that had nothing to do with male (a) and male (b).

 

The whole situation remind us a little bit at the 60 ’s when the HD was the hot issue. Dysplasia was the magic word and that was all that counted. The Leo survived.

And by using again our common sens the Leonberger will survive also the PN, LP etc.

 

 

Metha Stramer & Hein Sibrijns